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    Re: Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    So we let Saddam build up more chemical and biological weapons than he already had? Sure, some say he didn't have them. But ask the Kurds. He used chemical weapons on his own people. He led the world to believe he had more weapons than he actually had. He led the world to believe he was close to having nuclear weapons. He had every opportunity to prevent what happened to him. He ignored UN Resolution after UN Resolution.

    Of course, as it turned out he didn't have what he wanted the world to believe he had. But what if he had? Do you think he would not have sold any kind of weapon to the highest bidder? Yes, he was a threat to world peace. He murdered hundreds of thousands of people as the world stood by and did nothing. He invaded Iran and got his butt kicked. Then he invaded a country that was no match for him. Would he have stopped there? I doubt it very seriously. His past record certainly would not lead me to believe that.

    I don't in any way support this war as it is going now. If we were going to do it we should have done it full force. Politicians can't win wars but they certainly can lose tham. We evidently didn't learn anything from Vietnam because that is exactly what we are faced with again.

    And one thing a lot of people seem to forget is that Bush had enough support from Congress and the Senate to go to war. Flipper Kerry supported the war before he denied doing it. Hillary supported the war and then changed her mind after it became unpopular. Actually at one time the vast majority of the American people supported the war. That support started dropping as the war began to drag on. But the war is dragging on because it is being run by politicians more than the military.
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    Re: Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    After all the lies the government fed us before the Iraq War as justification, I'll believe Saddam had bio and chemical weapons when I see em. BTW, Iraq held Iran at bay in the middle east..which isn't a bad thing.
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    Saddam definately did have the biological and chemical weapons. He used them in the Iraq/Iran war and he also used them on his own people. Do you not remember seeing our troops destroy them as they were found?

    At the time of the Iraq/Iran war Iraq had the 3rd largest military in the world. And since it was Iraq that invaded Iran I wouldn't say they held Iran at bay. Seems like it was the other way around. Never the less, he did invade a weaker country after he couldn't do anything with Iran.
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    Who "sponsored" and funded Saddam's invasion into Iran...the US. So, we in effect, used Saddam to keep Iran at bay. Did we care then what kind of weapons he used?..no. Who stood by idly as he gassed his own people?..we did. Who decided not to overthrow Saddam at the end of Desert Storm in fear that Iraq would become unstable and throw the Middle East into war?..W's daddy decided not to. Who still hasn't found bio or chemical weapons in Iraq even after 2 wars in which we feared they'd be used but never were?..we haven't. The USA saw Saddam as a puppet used to quell Iran's dominance in the Middle East. When he invaded Kuwait (Which most Iraqis still claim as theirs and have for decades) the USA got caught in a game of politics vs. what the world expected the US to do and the man they had backed for years. Bush 1 decided to do what the world expected, but realized he was in too deep to overthrow Saddam...sadly, his son isn't as smart.
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    Re: Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    W's daddy didn't finish the job in Iraq because that was not what the UN resolution called for. Again, politicians should not attempt to manage a war. They SUCK at it. They don't have the STOMACH for it.

    We don't agree on much it seems. But that is one of the great things about our country. We can disagree with each other, we can disagree openly with the government. I don't think we would have that freedom if strong willed people before us had not had the backbone to stand up to tyrants. That is not a plug for this war, just a general statement.

    What is the old saying, "I disagree completely with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Or something like that. I love this country and I would LOVE to see it get back on the right track. No matter who the President is. Surely we can agree on that.
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    Re: Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    Sure thing.
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    "W's daddy didn't finish the job in Iraq because that was not what the UN resolution called for. Again, politicians should not attempt to manage a war. They SUCK at it. They don't have the STOMACH for it."
    This is a hot one...Clinton is a BAD BOY for not taking Osama because it is against the law. Bush is a GOOD BOY for going against the UN and sinking us into a war with no end. BUT it is a good excuse for his daddy not have taken Saddam because the UN said not to...Get me them thar haid ake pills. Perhaps we should check the Bush family tree a little closer, see if they ever sided against the Jews, since this all boils down to the middle east. See where the 1st was when the hostages were cut loose from Iran, see how many really good , profitable oil companies they ran. Ones that made without political favors. The best thing about the Bush family is...they are out of sons.

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    Re: Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    So who is sovereign: the UN or the US?

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